Liquid Zeolite Scam - Why I No Longer Promote it (Part 2)
Well here I am, loyal readers, with a follow up to my breaking news story Liquid Zeolite - Why I No Longer Promote It, which you can find up in the page menu.
So to recap- The label of the liquid zeolite says there are 24 mg of zeolite in a dose and 100 doses in a bottle for 2400 mg of zeolite.
- Zeohealth test found 2300 mg of solids in 10 bottles of mlm brand liquid zeolite for a total of 230 mg in each bottle. (only 60% of that was clinoptilolite by the way).
- ZeoActive8 (An Australian company) found 300mg in 4 bottles MLM brand liquid zeolite for a total of 75mg each bottle.
- Shelley Penney test found 27mg of solids in a bottle. We didn't even bother to ask for an analysis of the solids because it was such a teeny amount) waiora
The MLM Liquid Zeolite Company Waiora scam
I was not intending to name the company and I still am not. However, I was sent information on a public call held by the company last evening, an email regarding same went out to all of the distributors, and it was recorded. In that call, the purpose was to address some "claims and insinuations" according to one of the speakers (and I am not sure but it sounds like they may have been talking about me), and to also explain why, all of a sudden, all the plastic bottles seem to be 'clogging'.
Just so you know, I have the audio in its entirety. There were a couple of things said on the call where a name and a company was mentioned, and a story about same followed. And you know, sometimes when people find themselves in a situation, they are untruthful. That is the kind of thing that can have legal implications, and since I am not a judge of whether the story told is true or not, I am not posting the entire audio.
Below I have some excerpts of this public call, and I will let you decide if anything is settled in your mind.
First, the opening to what I thought was the interesting part of the call. A quote by the wonderful Jim Rohn. Listen to the audio.
Wow what a great start. I've certainly learned that!
So I've divided the 2 issues into 2 distinct parts. This first audio recording contains clips about the bottle clogging issue. I didn't alter any of the words at all, I just included a few snips of comments. It seems that there is a new manufacturer and dropper bottles "won't drip".
MLM Company Liquid Zeolite waiora natural cellular defense
Clogging the Bottle Tips
This recorded clip features 3 speakers commenting on a few issues that are happening with the product and a new manufacturer.
Don't understand the science?
Well I am not sure if this would be helpful or not, but if you look at the video I put below, you can see where I mixed 2000 mg of zeolite in water. The resulting slurry seemed to be thick enough to cause a clogging issue. I wonder if the mixture didn't have as much zeolite, would it flow much more freely. It might be worth a try….?
MLM Liquid Zeolite Company Owner Waiora scam
This first guest speaker, who was identified by the MC as Stanley Cherelstein, says "untruthful" in this recording.
Well gosh, he can not be talking about me. You can see clearly above that I have not said anything untruthful about liquid zeolite, or anything else. I said, I found a test on that company's liquid zeolite product, I found another test, and I asked to have a test done. Since I posted the tests clearly I am being truthful.
Also, if I hadn't found the tests, and asked for the test, I would not have been compelled to leave, and therefore would never have been in a position to need to "need to build a new book of business per sé to be able to create the income". So if the test didn't exist, neither would that recording. :- )
But someone must be being untruthful, I mean someone said so right on that recording.
MLM Company Master Distributor Waiora scam
The MC for this recorded call, who identified himself as John Haremza says "They use all of our testimonies"
Here is the audio in his own words.
Well golly, that doesn't sound right either. I have seen testimonials here and here and…. well you get the idea. The only marketing material that I use is The Liquid Zeolite Book, and that is my own marketing tool. I authored it, it belongs to me, and it has always belonged to me, which you can see quite clearly here
MLM Liquid Zeolite Company Scientist
This guest speaker was identified by the MC as Rik Deitsch (who doesn't really need an introduction)
Here are some of the things you will hear him say on this recorded public call.
micronization "when you do that the powder is so fine it is practically aerosolized, in other words, if you've ever seen like a powder puff…"
"because in HIS product obviously it's a very rough granular powder"
"We have clinical evidence to show that powder does NOT get into the blood stream"
"Even a simple breath …. is going to move those particles into the air… and they're going to lose a good deal o' weight of the product".
"It's not even important really, the amount of zeolite because no other zeolite product is activated and micronized"
"We have clinical evidence to show that powder does NOT get into the blood stream"
That could be true. Where is the clinical evidence? I wonder if it is with the clinical evidence that shows that MLM liquid zeolite works. You know, those studies we've been promised for 6 years. Yes I'm sure that's it. They are going to be published any day now. But for now… well I guess you gotta take someone's word.
Further, I don't really care about clinical evidence that zeolite powder does not get into the blood stream. What I want to know is WHERE IS THE CLINICAL EVEIDENCE THAT NCD DOES GET INTO THE BLOODSTREAM?
Now… 'activated' is the Waiora liquid zeolite way of saying "cleaned', and lots of products are cleaned. This company may be the only company that uses harsh acids and high heat, but I have learned that cleaning zeolite is not all that difficult.
OK so that leaves micronization.
"because in HIS product obviously it's a very rough granular powder" ~Rik Deitsch
Gosh that is not right. I found this report ZEO-Health-Micronized-report-1.pdf showing Zeo Health Zeolite Pure Powder is absolutely micronized to the same particle size that is claimed by the liquid product.
If you look in the column to the left under Percentiles you will see 10% of the particles are less that 0.0449 microns, 20% are less that 0.731 microns, 30% are less than 1.189 microns, 40% are less than 1.513 microns, 50% are less than 1.750 microns, 60% of the zeolite particles are less than 1.965 microns, 70% are less than 2.188 microns, 90% are less than 2.936 microns, 95% are less than 3.46 microns and 99% are less than 4.90 microns.
Waiora Natural Cellular Defense scam
Do you want to know something interesting? I have never seen a document that proves that NCD has micronized particles. Crazy I know. Do they have micronized zeolite in their product? I don't know the answer to that for sure. Where can we see a lab report, like the one that Zeo Health provided. I would love to link it here to show that at least by particle size that product lives up to the standard set by Zeo Health. If anyone knows where that document is, send me an email and I will post it.
"It's not even important really, the amount of zeolite because no other zeolite product is activated and micronized" ~Rik Deitsch
Well, the amount of zeolite seems fairly important to me. Now I suppose if your product only had 24 mg per dose, and the #1 zeolite company had 5000 mg per dose, then I guess someone, at some time, believed that it isn't important to have much zeolite in a zeolite product.
Now that we have seen that many other companies post their documents online I wonder if someone could help me find the documents for Waiora. Some of these companies have posted their independent lab tests and STILL it's been said that their product isn't what the lab test says, while other companies don't have any of their own tests shown and yet they claim their product IS something that several independent tests appear to have proven otherwise. I do find marketing fascinating, but sometimes good old fashioned proof is needed to back up the marketing.
Here are some of the things I would like to be able to share so people can get a balanced view of things.
- Waiora's Clinical Studies – The independent trials that have been said to exist. Independent doesn't mean done by my wife's cousin who also happened to have been the manufacturer (as an example). They say they have 13 studies done. Where are they?
- Micronization Report – from an independent lab
- Analysis of ingredient – One that shows that the zeolite really is whistle clean and free of mercury, lead, asbestos like they claim.
- Proof of Efficacy – How about a clinical study that shows the liquid product with 24mg of zeolite per dose removes several times more that 5000 mg. Preferably not a video that shows beakers and a change in color of one beakers when you add a certain ingredient. Any grade school chemist could fake something like that. :- )
In short, after all these years I would just like companies to back up their claims. The problem with not providing documented proof is that sales reps are very disappointed, maybe embarrassed, if they discover that any of the things they were told and repeated can NOT be verified. That's happened to me before.
At some point, there comes a time when talk isn't enough any more.
OK we have already established that 'activated' means "cleaned" and Zeo Health does clean it, just not with acids, and we have established that this powdered zeolite company really does have micronized zeolite. Could there be others?
"Even a simple breath …. is going to move those particles into the air… and they're going to lose a good Ideal o' weight of the product".
OK, so we have now established that the zeohealth product is micronized, and 99% of the particles are less than 4.9 microns. Does micronized zeolite powder of 4.9 microns or less just *pouf into the air like a powder puff.
Once again, allow me to show you, but before you watch the video allow me to say that I am old enough to remember "powder puffs" and THEY didn't even go into a puff up into the air when you touched them except on Saturday mornings. :- )
And I am curious. If micronized zeolite goes in a pouf up in the air unless you are really really careful with it and keep it an enclosed environment or wet… Why are you going to put it in your powder fiber product. As soon as your customer opens the jar it's going to be just like a genie in a bottle. I can almost see a little cloud forming over the cannister. What a marketing nightmare that would be… customers calling to say they lost their zeolite, people describing clouds of pouffy off white powder…. and you do know that there was a study that showed that people in Turkey who inhale zeolite that is in the air often develop mesothelioma (a rare lung cancer)? What about all these poor customers unaware of the dangers of inhaling pouffy zeolite? Or could it be that statement is just "ridiculous"…
Alright everyone, I put a LOT of work into that. I want to know from my loyal readers, what do YOU think of this situation.
Let's ask our esteemed expert zeolite panel what THEY think.
Ok that last one was a little bit of comic relief for us. You know, this is what I sincerely wish. I would love nothing more than to not have to answer to "claims and insinuations". Last Wednesday I posted a letter to my readers and friends about the reason I could no longer support the product I've been telling them about. I didn't offer any opinion to try to sway my reader. I simply said… this is what I found.
Today I felt compelled to respond to a 50 minute call, but I would really have preferred to have been working, or enjoying a beautiful fall day. I hope that we've "addressed it" and can move on. For now, everyone who has read these pages, and been on the calls has their mind made up. I certainly feel that I have the facts on my side, and everyone else has also decided who is being untruthful. I would prefer to only have to sweep the path once. Hopefully I don't have to answer to any more silly 'claims and insinuations".
I would also like to caution both my supporters and my detractors… each one of us needs to take facts presented and evaluate them for ourselves. Thus far, I've done nothing to address the rumors flying around about me.(that has changed since I have received emails with defamatory remarks- see link below). When one person provides a document, and the other side holds a conference call nearly an hour long filled with TALK, most reasonable people will have an opinion about that.
Here is just one thing I would like you to consider. If I were REALLY the kind of person who did things "for financial interests" then I would still happily be selling MLM brand "original" liquid zeolite. And here is the other thing… even if it were true (it isn't) that somehow someone bribed me to show people a simple test result, that doesn't add any zeroes to the resulting number.
And one more question…. If any of these tests were "manufactured" does anyone think for a single moment that a little hick chick from Atlantic Canada would be stupid enough to post it, when a simple phone call can verify or disprove that piece of paper.
I am going to urge each one of you to not repeat something that you can not prove with a document, should you ever need to, and to not make up rumors to attempt to discredit facts. I have never seen that go well for anyone.
Now let us move on to more productive activities.
Shelley L Penney
- Liquid Zeolite – Why I No Longer Promote It
- Liquid Zeolite Rumor Mill
- Good Manufacturing Practices and Original Liquid Zeolite
- There is NO Patent on Waiora Zeolite
- Who Is Attacking Me?
- Nutrition Supplement Scams – What To Do If It Happens To You
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